Timestamps:
00:35 – Heavenly Father’s plan in the premortal council required Jesus to be the Savior. The Savior sought only the glory of the Father.
09:15 – The Serpent (Satan) comes to Eve. The serpent was subtle, a word with many meanings. 2 Nephi 2 helps to explain how agency works and what is required for it to be operative.
16:40 – Adam and Eve were commanded to not eat the fruit and to also multiply and replenish the earth. A discussion on these potentially conflicting commands.
23:24 – Another view on the divine commandments given to Adam and Eve.
29:03 – Eve’s temptation and the Fall. Understanding Lehi’s discourse on the Fall helps us see how it was a blessing to all mankind.
34:10 – Reading Genesis 3 through the lens of the temple and Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount will help us see layers of meaning.
48:21 – The curse given to the serpent as an allusion to the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
50:45 – The curse given to Eve relates to sorrow in conception. Other ways to interpret “He shall rule over thee.” The curse given to Adam.
1:02:05 – Moses 4 introduces the two first laws of heaven: obedience and sacrifice.
1:07:01 – Moses 5 illustrates how Cain made choices that led him down the path to perdition.
1:13:16 – The Mahan principle is converting life into property.
1:19:02 – The Lord invited Cain to think about his choices. One lesson from this story for parents is “Don’t freak out!”
1:23:09 – Hidden meaning in the names of Cain and Abel. Their story can be read as a rivalry between two priesthoods.
1:28:00 – Through the Book of Mormon we see that the curse and the mark that was put on Cain can be understood as an absence of the Light of Christ or a dark countenance.
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Head. A Father who has blessed us with wonderful probation, a Savior who completes us with a dance of giving and take, and finally a Spirit that is a cheerleader and helpmate where we fail to see and hear.
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Question – I like how you said that the commandment to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was temporary. What if Adam and Eve had obeyed that commandment and waited until God came back down to authorize it. Would we still have mortality like we do today? What would have been different if they waited for God to come back down and give further instruction? Did they need to eat the fruit before God authorized it for mortality to come to pass? Do you think there are other worlds where that commandment was obeyed and there was no fall for that world? Do we need the fall for mortality and progression?
I am full of questions considering that scenario!
I had the same question when I heard the podcast comment. The fall was necessary for mortality and for eternal progression, otherwise, Adam and Eve would have continued in a state of innocence. If it were possible for them to have been obedient to every command, could the fall have ever happened? It seems like there had to be commands in what appears to be conflict with each other to bring about the fall. As Elder Oaks has taught, Good, Better, Best. Adam and Even recognized it was good to not partake of the fruit but best to partake so that they could fulfill the command to multiple and replenish the earth. From my point of view, I don’t know that the command to not partake fo the forbidden fruit could have been rescinded, otherwise opposition could not have been introduced.
I know that satan (lucifer) is a real being, because prophets and apostles have taught us so. BUT was he (or his similar actions done by another) always part of God’s plan? Lehi taught that there must be opposition in all things, but if lucifer hadn’t been in the garden embodying opposition to God’s commandment to avoid partaking of the tree of knowledge, then where would have the opposition come from?
What if lucifer, or any others, had not rebelled at all? Would there still be a need for a savior?
Are there any conference addresses, or books, or articles, or anything I can get my hands on that will help me understand this better?
Bottom line…Was satan always a part of God’s plan from the very beginning?
Thanks for your help!